tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640084.post7473594850294553905..comments2023-12-06T09:39:43.731-05:00Comments on StinkyLulu: Supporting Actress Smackdown - 1988StinkyLuluhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11765533714740641857noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640084.post-63544340640103443712010-01-26T00:35:42.697-05:002010-01-26T00:35:42.697-05:00Supporting? Davis' part was a lead. Cusack sho...Supporting? Davis' part was a lead. Cusack should have won for supporting, and also later for at least one those Julia Roberts things, too. 1988 not a great year for movies? Agreed, but it was, after all, right after 1987, which was one of the best years for movies since 1939.Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07098749811869635526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640084.post-20845403326325019662007-08-07T21:31:00.000-04:002007-08-07T21:31:00.000-04:00As far a dearth of stars for Weaver, I'd have to a...As far a dearth of stars for Weaver, I'd have to agree with Nathaniel. I totally agree with Keith that the scene in the board room where she bursts in and then feigns lightheadedness is ridiculous. Never really understood this nomination. Most of my memory of Sigourney in this film is her Armani 80's wardrobe. And the embarrasssing overplaying. I don't get it.jbnychttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07010722462585043908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640084.post-73800783345293452842007-08-02T04:25:00.000-04:002007-08-02T04:25:00.000-04:00Oh my, in the words of Chuck Berry, it goes to sho...Oh my, in the words of Chuck Berry, it goes to show you never can tell when those intrepid Smackdowners have a pow-wow. When I took part a couple months ago, I was certain I'd be the only dissenting voice among a chorus of Celeste Holm worshipers. Ha.<BR/><BR/>Now this month, I witnessed the woman I was sure would easily at least contend for the prize (with Davis) get almost completely shutout, <Vertigo's Psychohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17701774152300870403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640084.post-59959633910509184592007-08-01T21:53:00.000-04:002007-08-01T21:53:00.000-04:00For me, Lena Olin getting nominated for Unbeareabl...For me, Lena Olin getting nominated for Unbeareable Lightness is the same as Glenn Close's win for Dangerous Liaisons: I keep forgetting that they never happened.<BR/><BR/>Regarding Sigourney's "Map of the World" performance, I thought it could have benn nominated. But while I loved her in the movie, I loathed her supporting cast.The Jaded Armchair Reviewerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05511211427198395696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640084.post-33515545630451182282007-07-30T18:01:00.000-04:002007-07-30T18:01:00.000-04:00Great Smackdown this time! I really was kind of s...Great Smackdown this time! I really was kind of shocked at my "feh" reaction to most of these performances. <BR/><BR/>And I would have to agree--Weaver, and the Ice Storm in general, was robbed!Criticlasmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15942568777607340234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640084.post-53585943750907205372007-07-30T01:23:00.000-04:002007-07-30T01:23:00.000-04:00Is Curtis really supporting in Wanda? I think of ...Is Curtis really supporting in <I>Wanda</I>? I think of her as a lead, but I haven't seen the movie since God was a boy, or a fish.<BR/><BR/>Ruehl I'm just not crazy about, at least not in <I>Married to the Mob</I>.NicksFlickPickshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04607501848596529493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640084.post-27335754796479806792007-07-29T23:21:00.000-04:002007-07-29T23:21:00.000-04:00in re: to weaver's refusal to nod and accept adula...in re: to weaver's refusal to nod and accept adulation in favor of actual discussion/debate... this might be why she has so many (assumed) problems with AMPAS. i don't know as much about her career as i do about some of her competitors here but one imagines she has been branded "difficult" here or there.<BR/><BR/>and oscar likes humble/ agreeable/ eager to be loved when it comes to their winners,NATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640084.post-46218615489728841912007-07-29T17:34:00.000-04:002007-07-29T17:34:00.000-04:00To one close to my heart, Nick. Loved all this...To one close to my heart, Nick. Loved all this...tim rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11893294970751318226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640084.post-30182678892613351252007-07-29T17:05:00.000-04:002007-07-29T17:05:00.000-04:00(I meant that last comment to come in after RBurto...(I meant that last comment to come in after RBurton's.)<BR/><BR/>I meant to respond to J.J. Gittes earlier that I liked Weaver in <I>A Map of the World</I>, though as with <I>The Accidental Tourist</I>, I thought a bit more was going on in the book than made its way into the movie. Side note: I <I>loved</I> how she stood her ground against Oprah's book club when they had her on, and they all NicksFlickPickshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04607501848596529493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640084.post-50678097337861170412007-07-29T16:58:00.000-04:002007-07-29T16:58:00.000-04:00My only regret about Cusack NOT winning? That I d...My only regret about Cusack NOT winning? <BR/><BR/>That I don't get to use her face as my blogspot avatar for the next month... Sigourney's fabulous but nowhere near as hilarious looking.<BR/><BR/>I suspect the Olin snub might be an obverse result of the phenomenon that brings us this field of Best Picture Supporting Actresses. My very subjective recollections tell me that the film got StinkyLuluhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11765533714740641857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640084.post-80125178955159469102007-07-29T16:50:00.000-04:002007-07-29T16:50:00.000-04:00I like the book a lot, too. I don't think Turner ...I like the book a lot, too. I don't think Turner sparks to the material at all in this movie, and reading Anne Tyler, it's hard to imagine how Kathleen Turner could ever fit in her universe. Same might be said about William Hurt. I love that Davis thanked Tyler first in her speech, and that she got such positive press for doing so.NicksFlickPickshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04607501848596529493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640084.post-22629899065740770322007-07-29T16:49:00.000-04:002007-07-29T16:49:00.000-04:00Re: rburtonI was sort of afraid Cusack might win t...Re: rburton<BR/><BR/>I was sort of afraid Cusack might win too. Her nomination for "Working girl" is one of my favourite nominations ever, but only because it's a genuine triumph of the genuine supporting actress. But a nomination is enough. The character or the performance don't add up enough steam to deserve a nomination, neither in Oscar nor in the smackdown. <BR/><BR/>Re: johnt<BR/><BR/>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640084.post-22415051684071677412007-07-29T16:36:00.000-04:002007-07-29T16:36:00.000-04:00Glad to hear all the love for Olin who adds so muc...Glad to hear all the love for Olin who adds so much to one of my favorite movies. She was robbed of a nomination.<BR/><BR/>I'm also so glad Cusack didn't come in first. I saw all that love for her and it was definitely a little frightening.<BR/><BR/>I rank Weaver first and she's definitely a deserving win. It's so sad that she was the first to be nominated twice in a single year and lose both.Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06800396931252225965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640084.post-47063362336597002392007-07-29T14:10:00.000-04:002007-07-29T14:10:00.000-04:00Oh, I agree with Nick about Unbearable-Lena Olin w...Oh, I agree with Nick about Unbearable-Lena Olin would hands down have this trophy from me, were she nominated.John Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12778817752411507792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640084.post-55884155374282982802007-07-29T14:09:00.000-04:002007-07-29T14:09:00.000-04:00Keith: Totally. Yes. I almost gave McDormand a th...Keith: Totally. Yes. I almost gave McDormand a third heart, too, for the same reason.<BR/><BR/>I'd stick up for '99 as a pretty amazing flock of actresses, too: Collette, Jolie, Keener, Morton, and Sevigny, all of them pretty fresh faces (especially for the mainstream), all of them destined to get more famous. The movies sure took a lot more risks, though.NicksFlickPickshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04607501848596529493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640084.post-43694166274525845362007-07-29T13:30:00.000-04:002007-07-29T13:30:00.000-04:00I hadn't seen any of these movies since their init...I hadn't seen any of these movies since their initial release, and was taken aback at what a dull little bunch they were; <I>Working Girl</I> was the only one that I genuinely enjoyed (though I did not loathe <I>Dangerous Liaisons</I> quite so intensely as I had the first time around; it has its moments).<BR/><BR/>It's a strong group of actresses, though; if you just looked at the names, you'd Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07413428735864060575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640084.post-65149134844058868012007-07-29T13:16:00.000-04:002007-07-29T13:16:00.000-04:00Venora in Bird got most of the hightone awards in ...Venora in <I>Bird</I> got most of the hightone awards in this category. <BR/><BR/>But I just couldn't even contemplate hitting <I>Unbearable Lightness</I> this month; the movie hurt my feelings the first time around, I guess. I also can't sign on for the Sandy Dennis appreciation in <I>Another Woman</I> but I am sorry the voting didn't pitch <I>Dead Ringers</I> higher (I generally love Bujold StinkyLuluhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11765533714740641857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640084.post-20210710087334826962007-07-29T12:57:00.000-04:002007-07-29T12:57:00.000-04:00I am not a sourpuss in real life, I only play one ...I am not a sourpuss in real life, I only play one on the Supporting Actress Smackdowns. Because it's such a starry lineup of deserving actors, I tend to remember 1988 as a better-than-average year for this category, but when I watch the actual performances, I have a hard time defending any of them as winners. I am that 1988 anomaly—out of this field, I would have voted for Davis. <BR/><BR/NicksFlickPickshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04607501848596529493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640084.post-847860476512248612007-07-29T12:54:00.000-04:002007-07-29T12:54:00.000-04:00Re: NewlandI went through and checked, and indeed,...Re: Newland<BR/><BR/>I went through and checked, and indeed, this is the only time in this category where it matches up with the Best Picture nominees (in fact, it's the only time in the supporting categories it happened). The other eight times this occurred:<BR/><BR/>1934: Best Actress<BR/>1935: Best Actor<BR/>1940: Best Actress<BR/>1942: Best Actor<BR/>1943: Best Actor<BR/>1964: Best Actor<BR/John Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12778817752411507792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640084.post-85042601431747835462007-07-29T12:13:00.000-04:002007-07-29T12:13:00.000-04:00Another piece of interesting trivia: All five nomi...Another piece of interesting trivia: All five nominees come from Best Picture nominees. I've been checking but I'm too lazy to do it thoroughly. However, I think this might be the only time this has happened. <BR/><BR/>Was this a result of the lack of greatish performances that made voters look for their nominees in their favourite movies? Or was it the other way around? Just coincidence?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640084.post-1081651712608108452007-07-29T12:03:00.000-04:002007-07-29T12:03:00.000-04:00A bit of trivia for Smackdown fans:Joan Cusack's t...A bit of trivia for Smackdown fans:<BR/><BR/>Joan Cusack's the first performance to garner a full spread of hearts (1-5) in the 14 Smackdowns we've had to date. (The only other one to come close was Lesley Anne Warren in <I>Victor/Victoria</I> -- which might say something about the difficulty of broad comedy to garner voting consensus.)StinkyLuluhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11765533714740641857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640084.post-47164450609826215512007-07-29T11:36:00.000-04:002007-07-29T11:36:00.000-04:00Not to stray from the topic, but Newland brings up...Not to stray from the topic, but Newland brings up something that's troubled me for years: 1988 was the last time Weaver was close to Oscar (20 f*cking years!). Her performance in 1999's "A Map of the World" was worthy of a nomination and a win -- it's a trickier and greater feat than Hilary Swank's in "Boys Don't Cry." Hell, the Golden Globes nominated her that year, at least. If you haven't J.J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07815005929352267468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640084.post-61408044544127212007-07-29T11:29:00.000-04:002007-07-29T11:29:00.000-04:00I never have any idea about how to make sense of t...I never have any idea about how to make sense of the many potentially overlooked performances. BUT the movies that kept popping for 1988's overlooked possibilities were:<BR/><BR/>Diane Venora/Bird<BR/>Barbara Hershey/Last Temptation<BR/>Genvieve Bujold/Dead Ringers<BR/>Jamie Lee/Wanda<BR/>Mercedes Ruehl/Married To The Mob<BR/><BR/>With nods also to the female ensembles in Another Woman, Mystic StinkyLuluhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11765533714740641857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640084.post-53826057668411579612007-07-29T11:09:00.000-04:002007-07-29T11:09:00.000-04:00i so need to get back to the beach ;) but i just l...i so need to get back to the beach ;) but i just love the smackdowns.<BR/><BR/>i'm a little surprised to hear the negativity in regards to DL itself. I think it's the best film of 88 and CLOSE in particular is pure genius. Hilarious and awful of character but delicious to watch... unfortunately it's also the role (or the combo of roles with fatal attraction) that forever typecast her as the NATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640084.post-88593863595809504512007-07-29T10:24:00.000-04:002007-07-29T10:24:00.000-04:001988 wasn't a very good year for movies ("Rain Man...1988 wasn't a very good year for movies ("Rain Man" won, so go figure) but the Academy managed to assemble a nice group of Supporting Actress nominees (except, maybe, for the actual winner, who wasn't that good). My ideal winner is Sigourney Weaver, but McDormand, Cusack of Pfeiffer winning wouldn't be horrible or traumatizing. <BR/><BR/>My heart goes with Weaver, however, for the performance Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com